AVP UNKNOWN FORUM - Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO)

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Question: Do you want custom maps in Master Server Patch 2.1/2.2

Crams as many maps in.

3 (15.0%)

Only the best maps (that are fun to play)

3 (15.0%)

Only the best maps (that have balanced gameplay)

6 (30.0%)

All the good maps (that are fun to play)

4 (20.0%)

All the good maps (that have balanced gameplay)

1 (5.0%)

NO CUSTOM MAPS

3 (15.0%)

I don't care.

0 (0.0%)

I'm Lost~

0 (0.0%)

Total votes: 20

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x-M-x Administrator Offline 'Defiance' Posts: 1401 Location: Lost~ Joined: Apr 20^th, 2010 Gender:	Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:18pm	Print Post
	Well everyone! since we had a 'PUBLIC OUTCRY' I'm calling a vote now. So you decide. x-M-x

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inziggidy Spawnkiller Offline AVP Rules!!! Posts: 44 Joined: Jan 8^th, 2015	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #1 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:33pm	Print Post
	voted for add the best maps. the ones I suggested in the other thread, i'll just copy that list here. I'm sure there's probably more worth mentioning that aren't on this list too. =ARC=PREDATOR avp_community_gallery DE_DUST DM_ANTARTICA DM_BLOOD_RAIL DM_DEPOT2 dm_doomedwasteland dm_gcmc.klitter TOXIC FEUD DM_JUNGLE dm_oo_predatortemple dm_satanicsanctuary_war.machine > dm_industry dm_island GHOSTSHIP HANGERS2 LONDON_SEWER rc_stronghold_of_tranquility_v2_15f THE_THING_V2 TDS_DM_POD suk-stronghold suk-stronghold_2 gladiator dm_oo_predatortemple DM_OVERWATCH DM_SMUGGLER SNACKLAB Evac_Gauntlet evac-isolationchamber1.4 suk-stronghold_evac TDM_HELLSGATE
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x-M-x Administrator Offline 'Defiance' Posts: 1401 Location: Lost~ Joined: Apr 20^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #2 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	Don't forget DM_industry dude! That's a classic.

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Acid Unblooded Offline How did I get here?? Posts: 89 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2015	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #3 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:43pm	Print Post
	This is best solution for this problem.


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x-M-x Administrator Offline 'Defiance' Posts: 1401 Location: Lost~ Joined: Apr 20^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #4 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	Acid wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:43pm: This is best solution for this problem. Totally... hopefully TBBC can wait a while since we get a decent list going. And snap up a quick 2.2?
	« Last Edit: Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:52pm by x-M-x »
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JP Spawnkiller Offline pro Spawn Killer Posts: 39 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2015	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #5 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 11:22pm	Print Post
	My suggestion for a setup of maps would be in the first place to remove brokendream and all the primal hunt maps, then put korari, waterstation, pod and storageyard back in. Then we can start talking about the potential candidates. I have only chose maps that are fully optimized for gameplay and performance, which means no fps lag, significant glitches and enjoyable gameplay for everyone: My list would be composed of evac maps only since this is the game mode that is lacking the most: suk stronghold 1 & 2 (evac) - kind of a mandatory choice since this map has been around for so long that is semi-official evac_industry - one of the best designed maps out there toxic_feud - quite possibly the best evac map suke hadleyshope - Imp worked on this map for the patch and its great I would add avp community gallery and jungle if it werent for the massive sizes, but if people are ok with it then i say to include this 2 also Now about my maps: dm_storageyard Well i guess i dont have to say anything about this map since it has been out for almost a year now and played daily on tdm. The map has been fixed. FPS increased by 20 and numerous texture and other bugs fixed. Only small details in the geometry where changed. Now the maps that i had for patch 2.1 dm_temple This is a tiny jungle map with a small avp-themed temple in the middle. Since the beggining i think avp was in need of a jungle and pred orientated map so i made this. evac_moria This is massive, very complex and very hard (for humans at least) evac only map. Humans must navigate through this cave system but fast enough to avoid getting killed by a danger that advances. I wanted this map to have a theatrical feel so multiple effects take place as the marines advance through the map all the way to the outside where the evac zone is. All my maps where fully and thouroughly tested to make sure they dont lag event on older computers and so the gameplay is as balanced and as fun as possible


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x-M-x Administrator Offline 'Defiance' Posts: 1401 Location: Lost~ Joined: Apr 20^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #6 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	JP, korari, does have a problem though bug related... whats wrong with the ph maps? yes they suck lol but still better to have them in right? as for brokendream biggest avp2 map why would that need to be removed? i was on a server few days ago with 16 players max on that map everyone had a good time. If your maps get put back in, then are they going to be added to UMP3 then ? Love the screenshots man, you should make more LOTR Theme maps Helms Deep? xD

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JP Spawnkiller Offline pro Spawn Killer Posts: 39 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2015	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #7 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 11:46pm	Print Post
	Quote: korari, does have a problem though bug related... the stairs bug doesnt mess the gameplay much, plus, it is such a wanted map that it really doesnt matter Quote: whats wrong with the ph maps? yes they suck lol but still better to have them in right? i think its just a 20mb waste of space. no one plays or likes these. Quote: as for brokendream biggest avp2 map why would that need to be removed? because its basically all avp maps put together. i think its a bit pointless, but thats just my opinion. Quote: If your maps get put back in, then are they going to be added to UMP3 then ? storage and temple can go but i was serious about moria the other day. it has some special commands that it needs to work, and these commands only work on selected servers. If its run on another server its quite possible that it becomes full of gameplay bugs and thats not something i want. Quote: Helms Deep? xD tought about doing some mordor themed map but didnt realy go as far as that
	« Last Edit: Mar 11^th, 2015 at 11:47pm by JP »

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KingKenny Global Moderator Offline Hail to the king, baby! Posts: 377 Location: USA Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #8 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 1:45am	Print Post
	Hey, I made a news post on the front page trying to get everyone to vote in here. I'm hoping everyone really does vote. I really don't know how to vote on this one. I'm very conflicted. To me, the Primal Hunt maps should absolutely stay. I don't think they suck at all. I've had loads of fun on all of them. As for putting in more custom maps, I want it if its going to be a lot. I would like UMP level of maps, but then it becomes an issue of re-uploading a HUGE file every time the MSP is updated. If its going to be just a select few, like the best of the best. What are the guidelines we go by? Obviously, the maps should be glitch free and run smooth. But then do we just put in maps that are fair and balanced for all 4 species? Or do we put in the maps that are just the most fun to play? This to me will cause a LOT of disagreement. Competitive players will favor more balanced maps, where people like myself just care about the fun factor. Or do we keep it split. MSP + UMP3 (cmon 00 lol) to avoid conflict? EDIT: Oh also, would custom maps mean welcoming custom textures/audo, etc? Or is it just the dat files?
	« Last Edit: Mar 12^th, 2015 at 1:47am by KingKenny »

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x-M-x Administrator Offline 'Defiance' Posts: 1401 Location: Lost~ Joined: Apr 20^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #9 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 1:48am	Print Post
	POLLS BEEN CHANGED Better Answers now more 'defined'

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JP Spawnkiller Offline pro Spawn Killer Posts: 39 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2015	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #10 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 1:59am	Print Post
	how to change your vote then?


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x-M-x Administrator Offline 'Defiance' Posts: 1401 Location: Lost~ Joined: Apr 20^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #11 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 2:00am	Print Post
	I removed your vote, you can vote again now. OK EVERYONE ALL VOTES BEEN REMOVED - DUE TO NEW ANSWERS Start again.
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KingKenny Global Moderator Offline Hail to the king, baby! Posts: 377 Location: USA Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #12 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 2:11am	Print Post
	I voted. "All the good maps (that are fun to play)" Some people here might not expect me to vote that way, but I want custom maps included. But I do think they should be evaluated before being thrown in. I'd settle for only the best maps (that are fun to play) as well. Those should be masterpieces then. I'm against voting for "balanced maps" because that cuts off a lot of fun maps. Also, people always bicker about balance since this game came out. No one can ever agree on balance. Most people think AvP2 is unbalanced in gameplay as is. How can you pick balanced maps when people complain about grenades, smartun, disc, lockon weapons, plasma spam, camping, etc. I just hope that if the majority does vote custom maps in, we would consider maps since 2001. Not just recently made ones in 2014-2015. Some players here might be new to the game and may not have played a lot of the older maps. But the majority of maps came out around 2002-2008. EDIT: Either way, there is still a place for UMP3, I think. Those that want to go deeper into custom maps can then grab that. As I will if its made.
	« Last Edit: Mar 12^th, 2015 at 2:13am by KingKenny »

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Lucifer Warriors Offline Ego te absolvo Hell Rules! Posts: 583 Location: Hell Joined: Jun 24^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #13 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am	Print Post
	although the idea of kenny is right but i vote no for problem of polarization
	« Last Edit: Mar 12^th, 2015 at 9:40am by Lucifer »
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Imp Hunter Spawnkiller Offline And yet it maps... Posts: 43 Joined: Dec 23^rd, 2014	Re: Master Server 2.1/2.2 Custom Maps (YES OR NO) Reply #14 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 9:49am	Print Post
	Voted All the good maps (that are fun to play) however would also settle for Only the best maps (that are fun to play) depending on any size limitations imposed on the MSP. Prime example of my reasoning: The sUk maps are not balanced at all, they are very forgiving to humans and harsh on aliens but people really enjoy them and find this unbalanced approach fun. Selecting maps based on balance is a waste of time i think, it only takes a little common sense to look at a map and go "This map has broken balance, x race just gets murdered." and thats fine for the worst cases but some servers run "All Weapons" which just kills balance outright for any map. I believe a focus on fun and technical stability should be the priority.


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