x-M-x wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:


Yup see. I totally forgot about HHO 2010 map pack. I also thought there were 5 updates to UMP2, not 6. I don't even know if I have all 6 updates because I might of forgot to grab each one.

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This is what I think would work best.

Download 1:
UMP3 FULL: UMP2 + Updates 1-6 + HHO 2010 pack + any other maps released since the last update (that might be like 10 maps?)

Download 2:
Best of UMP3 aka UMP3 Lite: The top 50 or 100 maps from UMP3. (50 might be to low imo because they're are a lot of good ones).

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Then when the MS patch updates (hopefully), put three download links.

Download 1: (Required for online play - Lacks custom maps)
Master Server Patch 2.X For AvP2

Download 2: (RECOMMENDED DOWNLOAD - BEST VERSION)
Master Server Patch 2.X For AvP2 + Bundled Best of UMP3/UMP3 Lite

Download 3: (Optional Download - Every AvP2 Map every released)
UMP3 FULL

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One download without custom maps at all for those who want to avoid custom maps because not everyone wants them.

Then those that are running their servers can put in the server title UMP3 Lite or UMP3 FULL letting the players know what maps the server is running.

It's very straightforward and easy this way.

I'd recommend if a UMP3 Lite was made, people get to vote their favorite maps in as well.

The only thing is that the idea of the UMP is that it contained every map.

When you just put some of the best maps, its no longer UMP. It becomes just a map pack.

What made it ULTIMATE is that it was the map pack of map packs. It had EVERYTHING. So if you really just want a best maps map pack. It doesn't necessarily need to fly under the ULTIMATE map pack name.

Lets not forget singleplayer maps.

Thanks KingKenny for posting news of this topic.  Getting some good feedback so far.

I take it it's a no for a top 50 pack?
I don't like the idea of having two versions of UMP3 (Light and Full) because not only is it more work, but it's just going to be more complicated for people.
No one has put in any feedback regarding how big the file size should be.  UMP3 would probably be around 1.5 gb download, that's just off the top of my head 

One thing I think we can all agree on is there is a bunch of maps in UMP2 that can be deleted (bugged, errors, bad lay out, to big, older versions, etc.)
In fact I deleted out just as many maps out of UMP1 that I added new maps to UMP2 and no one seemed to mind with that.  So I'm thinking to do the same thing for UMP3?

With that said, I will start making a list of what maps can be deleted out of UMP2.4 (updates 1 - 4) .  I'll post the list so you guys can tell me what you think. But I will need time to do that.  You guys can feel free to make your own list and I'll take any help I can get. 

Oh and is it possible to upload text documents (txt files) to this forum?  Or is it easier to upload them somewhere else and just link to it?
All my map lists are in text documents 


           DoubleZero

KingKenny wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 5:49pm:


Indeed.

JP wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 6:00pm:


Totally understand why you would want more n more... but still adding more n more it'a gonna be ridiculous you know... (we'll see in future)

JP wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 6:00pm:


Yea, but that's why we have 'UMP' or any other mappacks out there.

00 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:


Two Versions will be bad i think.

Either get UMP2+ updayte 1 to 6 HHO Pack 2010 and Imp Hunter's new maps and JP's new map with some SP maps.... your UMP2 lacks a lot of SP maps btw... it doesn't even have FEAR 3 or Island of the dead Timebomb etc.. SP maps are just as IMPORTANT (REPLAY VALUE) if you have difficult time to get them! I'm sure kingkenny will help you.

00 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:


Update 1-4? we have 6 updates now. in case you didn't know? if you want the required files please get them here.

http://umpparty.stargatebase.net/downloads.php


00 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:



Email me the document.

Acid wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:


90? 100 200? 20? lol... why does it matter... you'll be surprise how many people have downloaded the master server patch... and 00 wouldn't be wasting his time to help the community.

UMP2 with all it's updates etc... anyone 'new to this game' will have to download them all... but they could easily just grab 'one file'

(example some new people on this forum have signed up asking what is ump where do i get it..) even now in 2015? - That's amazing.... UMP3 is long overdue. (by years)


x-M-x

KingKenny wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 5:49pm:

At the moment SP maps are not a priority and I'm thinking it might be better to put them in a separate pack.  Worry about that later.

x-M-x wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

UMP2.4 is what I was going to base UMP3 off of.  That's what all my notes and files I have are based off of, it would be easiest for me to start from there.  And it's easier to add maps than to delete them.  I can start adding all the new maps once the bad ones are gone(Gotta start somewhere)

KingKenny wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

If you only knew how many maps didn't make it into UMP2
 
KingKenny wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

I agree on this there are a lot of maps that are not very good but are very fun to play.  But there are maps with bugs, errors and older versions that just need to be removed.  Even big maps have been a problem, even back when I was making UMP2.  Most custom map servers typically have less than 6 players on them at any one time.  Have you ever played 1on1 on a large map with someone? I have it's not fun.  You spend over half the time just trying to find them.



At this point I am siding with Acid; I probably will be wasting my time, but this was my all time favorite game so if I do an UMP3 this is the least I can do for the game I love.  But, I don't want to make a pack with bad maps because that would be the biggest waste of my time.

I forgot to tell you guys....I have about 12 days left of premium time on my current favorite game which I paid good money for so that's going to be getting most of my attention.   Hopefully by then if we can agree on what we'd like to see in a new pack, then I can get started   



               DoubleZero

Lucifer you arent making any sense..
The primal hunt maps are comparable to an average custom map at best (poor gameplay, poor design, dont even have ambient sounds)

So here is my opinion on how the future map set should be:

AVP2 + 1.0.9.6 patch : all original maps + mp map update

MS patch : fully optimized custom maps on both gameplay, fps and design (only a handfull). Evac mode on avp is highly neglected on maps since most evac maps are just redesigned dm ones and they are lacking objective and team orientated gameplay. Alley is the only thing that comes close but its still not good enough for a good evac game.

suk_stronghold, toxic_feud, evac_industry

UMP3 : at least all maps that are in this list for server hosting purposes : http://umpparty.stargatebase.net/maps.php
But better would be UMP2 + all updates + all new maps after UMP2 that we can find.
All  unplayable/unfinnished maps should be left out.

So the requirements to play would be:

DM/TDM/Survivor/Evac/Overrun/Domination/CTF : ONLY latest MS patch + 1.0.9.6 update

[F4]/[TBBC] UMP servers : UMP3 / UMP2 + all updates

(Headache)

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Master Server Patch will be it's 'own download' any future mappacks i.e (UMP3) will be separate (trust me that's better)

MS Patch (just to get the game online)

UMP3 (Get all the latest custom maps for your beautiful AVP2)